Comments on: How Legitimate is the MLM 500 Top Earners List? http://www.mlmanalyst.com/how-legitimate-is-the-mlm-500-top-earners-list/ Observations from an objective MLM outsider Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:28:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: ken http://www.mlmanalyst.com/how-legitimate-is-the-mlm-500-top-earners-list/comment-page-1/#comment-218 ken Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:28:36 +0000 http://www.mlmanalyst.com/?p=15#comment-218 I think the larger point here is not a dig at Monavie, but just recognition that there are numerous wealthy mlm earners who are not listed. IMO, this list gives a good snapshot of the kind of income attainable in MLM, but should in no way imply that it is all inclusive. For instance, I have a friend who earned as much as $1.6 million dollars per month in MLM in the mid 90s. Today, he owns his own MLM company, where top distributors are earning in the $200k per month range. No mention of any of that here. I am positive that there are many more such omissions. For proponents of MLM, this is good news. This list justs scratches the surface of the type of wealth being generated in this industry today. I think the larger point here is not a dig at Monavie, but just recognition that there are numerous wealthy mlm earners who are not listed. IMO, this list gives a good snapshot of the kind of income attainable in MLM, but should in no way imply that it is all inclusive.

For instance, I have a friend who earned as much as $1.6 million dollars per month in MLM in the mid 90s. Today, he owns his own MLM company, where top distributors are earning in the $200k per month range. No mention of any of that here. I am positive that there are many more such omissions.

For proponents of MLM, this is good news. This list justs scratches the surface of the type of wealth being generated in this industry today.

]]> By: roger clyde http://www.mlmanalyst.com/how-legitimate-is-the-mlm-500-top-earners-list/comment-page-1/#comment-119 roger clyde Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:24:23 +0000 http://www.mlmanalyst.com/?p=15#comment-119 Fact is, it seems, Mona Vie is the fastest mlm company to $1Bill tham any other, so it makes sense they would have the most distributors at or near the top of the list,even if they are not all the way accurate. The more volume the company does, in turn the more money more distributors are making. I spoke to Brig Hart's wife in a Whole Foods parking lot in Tustin,CA and she said that figure was from 1 yr. ago about and that they have even got higher checks in 2009. Fact is, it seems, Mona Vie is the fastest mlm company to $1Bill tham any other, so it makes sense they would have the most distributors at or near the top of the list,even if they are not all the way accurate. The more volume the company does, in turn the more money more distributors are making. I spoke to Brig Hart’s wife in a Whole Foods parking lot in Tustin,CA and she said that figure was from 1 yr. ago about and that they have even got higher checks in 2009.

]]> By: The Analyst http://www.mlmanalyst.com/how-legitimate-is-the-mlm-500-top-earners-list/comment-page-1/#comment-114 The Analyst Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:26:36 +0000 http://www.mlmanalyst.com/?p=15#comment-114 <a href="#comment-113" rel="nofollow">@Dave </a> Hi Dave. Thanks for the question. The Inc. list is useful for some things but not for others. It is not useful in comparing private companies ON the list to private companies NOT ON the list because the vast, vast majority of private companies in the country do not even submit their financial information to INC. Magazine. Thus, the magazine never even looks at them when they do their analysis and comparisons. What if Monavie was the only MLM nutritional company that even submitted their information for consideration? MonaVie distributors have milked that list for all it's worth. Who wouldn't? But to be honest about their claims, Monavie distributors should try to understand the facts a bit more clearly. Same thing with the Top Earners list. Once you scratch the surface to really understand it, you realize you can't run around trumpeting your company's placement on it without being somewhat disingenuous. @Dave
Hi Dave. Thanks for the question. The Inc. list is useful for some things but not for others. It is not useful in comparing private companies ON the list to private companies NOT ON the list because the vast, vast majority of private companies in the country do not even submit their financial information to INC. Magazine. Thus, the magazine never even looks at them when they do their analysis and comparisons.

What if Monavie was the only MLM nutritional company that even submitted their information for consideration? MonaVie distributors have milked that list for all it’s worth. Who wouldn’t? But to be honest about their claims, Monavie distributors should try to understand the facts a bit more clearly. Same thing with the Top Earners list. Once you scratch the surface to really understand it, you realize you can’t run around trumpeting your company’s placement on it without being somewhat disingenuous.

]]> By: Dave http://www.mlmanalyst.com/how-legitimate-is-the-mlm-500-top-earners-list/comment-page-1/#comment-113 Dave Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:08:11 +0000 http://www.mlmanalyst.com/?p=15#comment-113 Do you also think the INC magazine top 500 companies (in the September issue) list is also bologna because MonaVie is the only mlm that made the list. Should we also be calling that publication a bogus, bias, poorly researched and invalid lie? Do you also think the INC magazine top 500 companies (in the September issue) list is also bologna because MonaVie is the only mlm that made the list. Should we also be calling that publication a bogus, bias, poorly researched and invalid lie?

]]> By: The Analyst http://www.mlmanalyst.com/how-legitimate-is-the-mlm-500-top-earners-list/comment-page-1/#comment-90 The Analyst Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:59:46 +0000 http://www.mlmanalyst.com/?p=15#comment-90 Frankie, I appreciate the comment, but it sort of looks like you posted it without reading the article. My article and the related posts, pretty much argue that all of the data you quoted is bogus, shouldn't be repeated, and certainly not used to make a case about one company or another. I feel like I'm going to have to write some more posts about relying upon anecdotes (isolated stories) to make decisions or for recruiting. Since you are 15 we'll give you a pass on repeating all of yours, but as you grow older you'll realize how dangerous and misleading it can be to create expectations based merely upon what you've seen or heard a few people "do." Frankie, I appreciate the comment, but it sort of looks like you posted it without reading the article. My article and the related posts, pretty much argue that all of the data you quoted is bogus, shouldn’t be repeated, and certainly not used to make a case about one company or another.

I feel like I’m going to have to write some more posts about relying upon anecdotes (isolated stories) to make decisions or for recruiting. Since you are 15 we’ll give you a pass on repeating all of yours, but as you grow older you’ll realize how dangerous and misleading it can be to create expectations based merely upon what you’ve seen or heard a few people “do.”

]]> By: The Analyst http://www.mlmanalyst.com/how-legitimate-is-the-mlm-500-top-earners-list/comment-page-1/#comment-89 The Analyst Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:49:56 +0000 http://www.mlmanalyst.com/?p=15#comment-89 Shannon, wow. Well said. Shannon, wow. Well said.

]]> By: The Analyst http://www.mlmanalyst.com/how-legitimate-is-the-mlm-500-top-earners-list/comment-page-1/#comment-81 The Analyst Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:15:39 +0000 http://www.mlmanalyst.com/?p=15#comment-81 Hi Steve, I'm glad that you are seeing some success. I've never stated or implied that there was anything scam-y about MonaVie. By reading my articles you'll notice that I've also never "slammed" MLM. My arguments are that when people make important decisions, they shouldn't rely too heavily upon incorrect information, like inaccurate lists, or mere anecdotes for that matter. Hi Steve, I’m glad that you are seeing some success. I’ve never stated or implied that there was anything scam-y about MonaVie. By reading my articles you’ll notice that I’ve also never “slammed” MLM. My arguments are that when people make important decisions, they shouldn’t rely too heavily upon incorrect information, like inaccurate lists, or mere anecdotes for that matter.

]]> By: The Analyst http://www.mlmanalyst.com/how-legitimate-is-the-mlm-500-top-earners-list/comment-page-1/#comment-80 The Analyst Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:11:01 +0000 http://www.mlmanalyst.com/?p=15#comment-80 Bart, I appreciate your comments. And, like you, I respect Mr. Nuyten. Also, like you, I enjoy putting a face and a name to information, opinions and products. However, there is a big difference between me and other sources of MLM information - that is, I'm not selling anything. I'm doing this because I enjoy it. I make my income from a completely different industry, and frankly, having my name and face tied to this blog and the network marketing industry in general would confuse my actual customers. Please feel free to agree or disagree with me based on the merits of my thoughts, information, analysis, etc., but I believe my anonymity and neutrality should not negatively reflect upon what I write. If anything, it should add to the value of my statements. Bart, I appreciate your comments. And, like you, I respect Mr. Nuyten. Also, like you, I enjoy putting a face and a name to information, opinions and products. However, there is a big difference between me and other sources of MLM information – that is, I’m not selling anything. I’m doing this because I enjoy it. I make my income from a completely different industry, and frankly, having my name and face tied to this blog and the network marketing industry in general would confuse my actual customers. Please feel free to agree or disagree with me based on the merits of my thoughts, information, analysis, etc., but I believe my anonymity and neutrality should not negatively reflect upon what I write. If anything, it should add to the value of my statements.

]]> By: Shannon http://www.mlmanalyst.com/how-legitimate-is-the-mlm-500-top-earners-list/comment-page-1/#comment-70 Shannon Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:08:02 +0000 http://www.mlmanalyst.com/?p=15#comment-70 I am a firm believer in FACTS. The fact is, there are many very wealthy individuals in MLM. This industry has created more millionaires than any other (FACT). There are many products, services, concepts being marketed (FACT). MLM is the fastest way to penetrate and bring a product to market (FACT). Sad Facts-people do not always do business ethically. The reason the MLM industry has gotten the misnomer of a "pyramid scheme" is because they wrap their lies in a cloak of spin marketing. The honest truth? There are many companies out there that are offering Leadership Recruitment Bonuses. It's become common place. This means that they are paying large lump sums of money to bring in big names and those people come not for the product, the comp plan, the leadership, the good of all the nation BUT for the almighty dollar. If companies are not paying lump sums then are providing monthly check subsidies or placing unearned volume into a "power leg". Now, the true problem comes when the BOUGHT AND PAID FOR leadership begins to share their earnings yet neglect itemize the true nature of the source. This is unfair, misleading, and continues to place a black eye on the industry. The worst part is that they don't tell their people that there's NO WAY they could make the same amount of money in the same amount of time - They are NOT duplicatible Whether people trust or mistrust the anonymity of mlm analyst, at least you don't see a million ads on his site! The individuals constructing these Top Earners, Movers and Shakers, etc lists are doing more than just trying to keep everyone informed. They are making money on all the advertising and hoping that people will keep coming on to the site to increase stats thus increase advertising charges. It's like webmd.com Unfortunately, not many out there know enough about the industry to ask the right questions and people that create and maintain sites such as these have a moral obligation to really explain the information they're providing. The disclaimer on the inaccuracy of the information should be placed at the TOP of the page not at the bottom! Hoping that we can educate people one post at a time. I am a firm believer in FACTS. The fact is, there are many very wealthy individuals in MLM. This industry has created more millionaires than any other (FACT). There are many products, services, concepts being marketed (FACT). MLM is the fastest way to penetrate and bring a product to market (FACT). Sad Facts-people do not always do business ethically. The reason the MLM industry has gotten the misnomer of a “pyramid scheme” is because they wrap their lies in a cloak of spin marketing. The honest truth? There are many companies out there that are offering Leadership Recruitment Bonuses. It’s become common place. This means that they are paying large lump sums of money to bring in big names and those people come not for the product, the comp plan, the leadership, the good of all the nation BUT for the almighty dollar. If companies are not paying lump sums then are providing monthly check subsidies or placing unearned volume into a “power leg”. Now, the true problem comes when the BOUGHT AND PAID FOR leadership begins to share their earnings yet neglect itemize the true nature of the source. This is unfair, misleading, and continues to place a black eye on the industry. The worst part is that they don’t tell their people that there’s NO WAY they could make the same amount of money in the same amount of time – They are NOT duplicatible

Whether people trust or mistrust the anonymity of mlm analyst, at least you don’t see a million ads on his site! The individuals constructing these Top Earners, Movers and Shakers, etc lists are doing more than just trying to keep everyone informed. They are making money on all the advertising and hoping that people will keep coming on to the site to increase stats thus increase advertising charges. It’s like webmd.com

Unfortunately, not many out there know enough about the industry to ask the right questions and people that create and maintain sites such as these have a moral obligation to really explain the information they’re providing. The disclaimer on the inaccuracy of the information should be placed at the TOP of the page not at the bottom!

Hoping that we can educate people one post at a time.

]]> By: Frankie http://www.mlmanalyst.com/how-legitimate-is-the-mlm-500-top-earners-list/comment-page-1/#comment-65 Frankie Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:10:42 +0000 http://www.mlmanalyst.com/?p=15#comment-65 According to this website…no company even comes close to Monavie for producing top income earners in the industry. Here is a brief breakdown… Monavie holds 3 of the top 10 income earners. Monavie holds 49 of the top 100 income earners Monavie holds 86 of teh top 500 income earners. So who competes with Monavie? Amway also holds 3 of the top 10, 16 of the top 100 and 82 of the top 500. But does that really compare? Amway has been in business for 60 YEARS!!! Monavie has been in the game for a measley 3.5 years! The other competitor is Herbalife… They have 0 in the top 10, 2 in the top 100, but a whopping 256 of the top 500! But again…they’ve been around for 28 years! And i am also in Monavie i have a personal friend named scott henry who makes 13k a week and i know this because i saw it and his dad is a black diamond that makes 1.5million a year and i also saw that so i know its not fake. I just started with my dad we hit Gold Executive which is 51k a year and we are knocking on Ruby executive which is 100k a year this week. Monavie has a amazing compensation plan and product and Im 16 and the reason why people beat on MLM so much is because they dont know how to build it just like steve fedrics also has said. According to this website…no company even comes close to Monavie for producing top income earners in the industry.

Here is a brief breakdown…

Monavie holds 3 of the top 10 income earners.

Monavie holds 49 of the top 100 income earners

Monavie holds 86 of teh top 500 income earners.

So who competes with Monavie?

Amway also holds 3 of the top 10, 16 of the top 100 and 82 of the top 500. But does that really compare? Amway has been in business for 60 YEARS!!! Monavie has been in the game for a measley 3.5 years!

The other competitor is Herbalife…

They have 0 in the top 10, 2 in the top 100, but a whopping 256 of the top 500! But again…they’ve been around for 28 years!

And i am also in Monavie i have a personal friend named scott henry who makes 13k a week and i know this because i saw it and his dad is a black diamond that makes 1.5million a year and i also saw that so i know its not fake. I just started with my dad we hit Gold Executive which is 51k a year and we are knocking on Ruby executive which is 100k a year this week. Monavie has a amazing compensation plan and product and Im 16 and the reason why people beat on MLM so much is because they dont know how to build it just like steve fedrics also has said.

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